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jeanb
#1 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 7:18:35 PM Quote
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What a bl)@&/ joke! Please, please read this on the NRAS website. I don't think anything has annoyed me as much for a very very long time. How on earth can any of this come about when a) many GP's haven't got a clue about RA and are reluctant to pass patients on? I was speaking to a lady last week who is In agony and quite clearly has RA but her GP said it was just a bit of arthritis!! I was so annoyed I recommended she changes GP's and to cut a long story short, she enrolled with my GP and has an appointment to see a rheumatologist In 6 weeks. b) how on earth can new patients be seen within 3 weeks when there are barely enough rheummies around to make the 18 week pathway? And of course, this target means that those of us with established RA are shoved to the back of the queue with less and was frequent appointments! Sorry for this rant, but much time, money and resources have been poured into this report which is just guidelines. Surely the money expended would have served a more useful propose if extra rheumatologists were employed and all GP's brought up to date with RA and the treatment available.
Rebecca D
#2 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 7:33:08 PM Quote
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Outrageous!!

I do agree that new patients need to be assessed and diagnosed quickly so they can start DMARDS, I wasn't diagnosed for well over a year and as a result had extensive joint damage. But to be seen within three weeks is unrealistic, the Rheumatologists are pushed to the limit as it is. That's a very good point you have made Jean, about bringing GP's up to date with R.A and employ more Rheumatologists ThumpUp

Rebecca
jenni_b
#3 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 8:38:47 PM Quote
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I'm with you jean!

Rediculous!

It's a 12-18mth wait for my rheummy

The trust has been complained to
What Happens is that they white wash it all
The poor rheummy has to write an explanation on the chief excecutives behalf
Admitting as little as they can get away with

Last year the trust has to admit they are abominably serving this community and woefully understaffed and we did get a new rheummy team member but its still below the minimum standard in place now.

It feels a bit cloud cuckoo land with the 3 wks
3 months feels miraculous right now!

I think better making the case of priority for ra patients as the rules remain
how to be a velvet bulldoser
Deb1975
#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:39:07 PM Quote
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Hi ladies

I was surprised to read your comments about waiting times and realise how little I know about the services offered across the country Blushing

When I first experienced problems with very fat swollen toes and joints that felt like marbles (it was 8 years ago now) I saw my GP she took 1 look at my toes and said 'I know what that is' and referred me to the consultant straight away and I'm sure my initial appointment was within 3 - 4 weeks and to be honest I thought this was the norm but after reading your posts I realise I was obviously very lucky. I was started on DMARDS and NSAIDS immediately and as a result have been told that even after 8 years I have very little joint damage beyond normal wear and tear for my age. Rebecca I can't believe you had to wait that long for a diagnosis that really is outrageous - is that a normal waiting time?

Now I have an established disease getting an appt is more difficult usually it takes 3 - 6 month's which doesn't sound too bad but when you are in pain it feels like forever! Now I realise how fortunate I am, I will still be silently annoyed at having to wait for appt's but I will also be very grateful the wait isn't as long as it could be if I lived somewhere else. I will however still resent being told my appt is at 1.30pm then sitting in the waiting room until well past 3.30pm before being seen Mad

Deb x
jeanb
#5 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:14:31 PM Quote
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Hi Deb. I think it depends on the Health Authority as to what treatment times you can expect. My main concern is the GP as the first port of call. Many of them are clueless. I was left 6 years and it wasn't until I was in a wheelchair that I was even sent for blood tests. I spent most of that time being put on stronger and stronger painkillers, so perhaps you have an idea why this upsets me so much. By the time I was diagnosed, hips and knees had disintegrated and had to be replaced rapidly and hands and feet were shot. I really wish someone would have an all out effort to flood GP's with literature. If patients are not always being referred on it does make me wonder what waiting times would be like in some areas if they were! I fear the system couldn't cope. Sorry, I'm ranting again!
NRAS-Emma
#6 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:17:42 PM Quote
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Hi all,

Please see response from our Government Affairs Manager, Jamie, below:

The new Quality Standard for RA that has recently been released is defined as "high-priority areas for quality improvement in a defined care or service". It is based on NICE clinical guidelines, known as 'best practice' that are already in place, although we fully appreciate that they are not implemented universally! Under new health reforms, Commissioners will have a duty to have regard to these Quality Standards when devising their services. We are aware of the issues around GP education and onwards referrals however our expectations are that we can use the new QS to drive up awareness.

ARUK are currently undertaking a major piece of work on improving GP syllabuses on MSK diseases, including RA, and we also recently collaborated on a major piece of learning for GPs in their prominent trade magazine 'Pulse'. GP education remains a priority for us and we have many upcoming opportunities to improve this in the future e.g. we are currently planning our first NRAS group based at a GP surgery and we are regularly invited to present at GP training events.

If you have any further queries regarding the new QS or any other issues that concern you, please do get in touch with either Jamie or Leo (Government Affairs team) at NRAS.


Many thanks
Emma

PS. In addition, we have small health professional NRAS leaflets which are great to give to your GPs and it's always worth asking at reception to see if they are willing to display our publications, or even just our poster!
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